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Post by Old Dragon (Al) on Dec 11, 2006 6:22:04 GMT 1
For anyone who does not already know... Speculation that one person’s name (Mugsy) that was popping up in the indexes of particular sales boards in the place of others who had posted to those threads, and/or implied that she was in any way responsible for any strange quirks on the boards or security breaches, IS FALSE. That quirk simply relates to those boards and threads having originally been created on a different proboard and transferred by copying and pasting onto this one, and as stated clearly as the most likely cause to many who asked or queried that. There is also no evidence to suggest that anyone else who may have held a membership on that particular forum group (prior to it closing or since) was personally responsible for any of the other quirks appearing on this board - such as difficulties registering as new members etc. All we discovered during security checks, were areas where the proboard system itself could be behind the various problems. Athough true that my private/emergency phone number may have been accessed from a staff only area of the board and has been given out to some members freely, I have no reason at all to believe any particular individual member or guest was reponsible for that, or for passing it around. All I would ask, is that if any members do now have my number, they read my post mentioned below, and kindly please respect my privacy for the reasons given there. Please treat my phone number as confidential other than for real emergencies. Sales and postal enquiries should be addressed on the board and in the appropriate thread, thanks. For a more detailed explanation, please read my posts in the Virtual Jail. If anyone wishes to 'fess-up' voluntarily to anything at all, that is the correct place to do it on this board. The alternative is to please do so in private by PM either to me or to Mike. Now please, for the sake of all concerned, can any gossip and speculation on or off this board cease. This board is not the place for tittle-tattle of any kind, but to address the aims and primary purpose of the group as a whole - aiding animals in the care of rescues. The ONLY requirement for membership is a DESIRE to participate and support the aims and primary purpose of the group as a whole. Perhaps some of those currently gossiping might find it more beneficial to ACT upon that desire, because if all the energy being wasted on unnecessary gossip and speculation was applied to aiding animals in rescues they, and all here, would be much better off this coming Christmas. Thank you.
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Post by Old Dragon (Al) on Dec 12, 2006 16:07:40 GMT 1
It appears that the rumour about this Pet Craft Project closing/disbanding at around Christmas time still persists. That is INCORRECT.
The ONLY PCP that is disbanding, is the very small (4 members) original group, and from which this online group grew. It is a decision made by those 4 remaining members collectively, and based simply upon their individual, personal circumstances, and mostly due to health related issues.
It may affect this online group in areas of sales and what items might be available for purchase, but not necessarily.
Those remaining members from the original PCP who are still capable of doing something (if not as much as previously) for the primary purpose of this online PCP group, will still do so, but as members of other Triune/TRPD groups with slightly different aims and primary purposes to the original PCP.
For those who don't understand the structure of any of the TRPD/Triune groups, they have an upside-down structure to the norm.
If you can imagine an equilateral triangle, with the point at the bottom, then mentally divide that triangle into further equilateral triangles that all exactly fit into the whole, you will be visualising a 'Triune Board' as per used by live groups for game challenges but also representing the structure of all groups and including this online group, to some extent.
This group's 'parent' group - the original little Pet Craft Project - would be positioned in the single triangle at the lowest point. That is just one very small group from which all groups/teams on this board have grown.
For no other reason than, out of the four of us remaining in that little group when the 'proboard' online one was first opened, I was the only one around with some experience of using a PC, (Mike's elderly mother had had an accident and he was in another part of the country to address that), it fell to me to open the door and create this forum. Being the door person, does not make me the boss. It just means for the purposes of proboards, mine is the main admin account.
Aside of that, what I am is a member of the disbanding parent group, and who CHOSE to act and to make an awful lot of the goods that that little group has been making to the best of there ability and to benefit animal rescues. (That whether for sales, donating as quiz prizes, for projects and donations to benefit rescues, etc. Apart from the Quiz teams (responsible for winning over 700 prizes and sent direct to rescues by their donors and since this group started, until very recently, and when the other groups began to get more involved, just four people were making everything to enable all the fund-raising that made all possible.
We did it as volunteers and a form of occupational therapy because we had the desire to help animals in the care of rescues and acted on it. Last year alone (2005) the postal costs averaged between £100 & £150 per week! (Hardly occupational therapy trying to keep up with the demand, but we did it because we all wanted to see the online PCP get off to a good start and succeed in achieveing something towards their primary purpose.
This year, we have been 60% down on our little group's fund-raising efforts, and to achieve all we have has meant two of our little group's members dipping into their own pockets considerably and just to cover suppliers monthly bills. Much of that has fallen to only one member, and all the thanks they had from an online group member who learned that fact was to say, 'Oh well, **** can afford it!' That might be so, but the point is, they did it because they had the desire to and chose to act on it to help animals, but cannot be relied on to keep doing that and neither is it fair for anyone expect them to.
When the original group has passed on all we have to the new little groups, and sold off or donated all the stock to other groups with the same purpose or direct to rescues etc.; then the effect will be like removing the point of the triangle, leaving three more the bear the weight of all above. A 'Triune of Triune groups' if that makes sense? Also a bigger base to bear the weight.
Some of the groups most likely best positioned to support the purpose of supporting animals in the care of rescues might be the quiz teams. They are only small but consistently do their bit for rescues. Then there are the newly formed Moorland Minx's (Ali, Viv & Selina), and perhaps the the other newly formed 'Chaos & Clutter' group may be in a position to supply prizes for things and take on particular projects such as the Coldies and Oldies - funding that through some auctions as and when required and we have managed to make sufficient items - but as things stand health wise for those of us still remaining from the original 4, there will be a big question mark over what any of us may be able to contribute.
Perhaps those knitters busy making blankets and dog coats might form a group within the main group and a particular cause or project that appeals to them? Others can support that by passing on spare knitting wool - and therefore supporting the primary purpose of the group as a whole in the process.
Every individual little group like this is autonomous. Each just doing their bit towards the collective effort. Each appoints their own service positions ( i.e. Who knits what; who packs parcels and who posts them out or acts as a liasion officer for the main group etc.) and each group manages their own accounts. If a group has surplus funds, there is nothing stopping them from purchasing something like a batch of dog/cat feeding bowls for a rescue of their choice and sending those out direct to a rescue that needs those.
I hope I am managing to convey something of the structure in this way or not? It is so much easier in practice, than to explain.
I hope this is showing how any leaders in the individual groups or teams are both servants and members of their group and contribute to the whole. The only requirement for membership is the desire to participate and support the aims and primary purpose of the group as a whole.
There is no requirement to act upon that desire. All members participate to the degree that they wish, the way in which they are best able or inclined, and based on attraction, not promotion or coercion. That both within the individual little groups and the whole.
Some are under the illusion that I am 'the boss' here, but how can anyone even attempt to be the 'boss' of that type of structure? To even expect it of them is to be asking the impossible, surely? Considering it has all grown from a handful of groups created in 1971 and rolled along since then without a 'boss', who on earth has the right to claim to be its boss?
Outside of this board, there could be any number of little groups, some I know and even belong to, and that work together where we have a common purpose or can help one another out or support each other's causes. For example, I'm in a garden group and take cuttings from my plants and take them to a lady up the road who runs the local launderette and supports a respite care centre for terminally ill children by offering plants for a donation into their charity box. I have the desire and I act on it. Simple.
Here on the board we have a great many members who join because they have that desire and NEVER act on it, but that must always be their choice.
It is the same with the members in the little groups making cat toys or dog toys, or knitting, or having fun in the quizzes or challenges - they all have the desire to support animals in the care of rescues and have chosen to act.
Although not a participating member of those little groups, I've been able to show them support and act to do my bit by sending materials from the original little group. I had the desire and acted on that with the approval of the other three members of that group because it is in line with how groups work together and co-operate.
It is not for anyone to step in and try to tell the members of any little group how to operate or where to send things, although they might make suggestions, perhaps, and if asked. Otherwise a group is autonomous in its own right.
In the same way, no one can tell any member what to do or what not to do, but simply show what is available already, and that might appeal to them. Personally, I can only share what I know and based on my own knowledge and experience of my own memberships of the various groups to which I have belonged. That is not the same as being 'the boss', even if some may not recognise that.
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Post by Old Dragon (Al) on Dec 20, 2006 20:56:54 GMT 1
Correction:
In the first message above I stated...
'Speculation that one person’s name (Mugsy) that was popping up in the indexes of particular sales boards in the place of others who had posted to those threads, and/or implied that she was in any way responsible for any strange quirks on the boards or security breaches, IS FALSE.
That quirk simply relates to those boards and threads having originally been created on a different proboard and transferred by copying and pasting onto this one, and as stated clearly as the most likely cause to many who asked or queried that.
There is also no evidence to suggest that anyone else who may have held a membership on that particular forum group (prior to it closing or since) was personally responsible for any of the other quirks appearing on this board - such as difficulties registering as new members etc.
It seems that, although under the impression that those boards and threads had been created on another board, it seems that was not the case, and that the details were, in fact, transferred into MS Word prior to posting here.
The glitch on any of the affected boards, and causing 'Mugsy's' name to appear in the indexes could be due to her deleting her membership, but it CAN STILL ONLY BE a quirk of proboards, and does not in any way reflect on Margaret.
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Post by ajs on Dec 21, 2006 1:22:39 GMT 1
Oh dear - have just read the above but have to admit I don't really know what the gossip bit is all about. Is Mugsy ok? Is everyone ok? Hope we don't have discord on the board. I am not much help am I? I think TRPD petcraft project (whatever and whoever it is) does a fantastic job - I am just full of admiration, as the products are of such great quality - I always recommend them to anyone who takes on one of my foster dogs....they invariably ask as most of my dogs go with at least a harness and a fleece made by TRPD, usually a collar and lead too. Long may it all continue and hopefully not to anyone's detriment... Goodness knows where I would even start to look for the brilliant custom made bits and bobs I get here. Then, on top of that - being able to buy things made to measure, on line, in the middle of the night is such a bonus!
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Post by dottydogs on Dec 21, 2006 18:39:10 GMT 1
i agree with ajs i havent come by any gossip and cannot understand why anyone would want to bring gossip here. i personally love the pet craft project and although i dont fully understand the ins and outs of it i am proud to be a member anyone slating mugsy -- wha? margerat is awesome, i thought so when i first met her on another forum and know her on another one after here and have only seen a sweet lady who is happy to lend a paw where she can. hugs mugsy stay well
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Post by Jus on Dec 22, 2006 0:12:45 GMT 1
I dont know what's been said, or done, but Margaret's fab and has done alot of hard work on here despite anything happening in her personal life
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